December 3

Arguments Against the Fruit Diet

Filed under 80-10-10 and Low Fat Raw, Raw Food Controversies by Frederic Patenaude

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– Frederic’s Update

– Arguments used against the high-fruit diet

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Greetings from Costa Rica!

Today, I’m going to talk about some recently heard statements used by some raw-foodists to try to scare people away from eating fruit. Is fruit healthy or deadly? Some people would like you to think that eating fruit will turn you into an alcoholic. No kidding… Check out these shocking statements below and my answers.

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Arguments Used Against the High Fruit Diet Don’t Add Up

Over the years there has been an increase in the number of raw “gurus” or leaders speaking out against excessive and even moderate fruit consumption, while more and more packaged, refined, and fragmented questionably raw superfoods enter the market.

There are experts on both sides, long term raw foodists and even doctors. For a while now some leaders have been “scaring” people away from fruit or simply giving them vague misinformation.

I have over 10 years experience with both sides of the raw food lifestyle, going from eat anything as long as it’s raw (heavy avocado and nut consumption) to a high fruit low fat no superfood diet. I feel that the
insight that I can provide into these misconceptions is honest and valuable.

Some arguments against the high fruit diet and misleading advice on moderate fat consumption.

ARGUMENT: 100% raw foodists and especially fruitarians run into problems eating excessive quantities of fruit over the long run.

First of all this is a very vague statement, “problems” could be defined as any number of things.  Secondly, the same could be said about anyone following any other kind of diet in the world, be it raw, vegan, vegetarian, standard american etc.

There is a right way and a wrong way to do everything so there’s no doubt some people will have “problems” on any diet. But “especially” fruitarians is a bogus argument, my good friend Anne Osborne has been eating fruit exclusively for 17 years and has raised 2 children raw and is very healthy and vibrant.

I have many friends that live on a predominantly fruit based diet and they are the most active, healthful people I know.  Your health is in your own hands, do not blame a particular “diet” or “lifestyle” if you have not informed yourself, kept good physical shape and oral hygiene and adapted your eating plan to make up for any deficiencies.

There is no proof of anyone succeeding long term on a high fruit low fat diet.

Clearly this argument is unfounded and meant to scare people away from a natural diet and probably sell them something.

If you look at the diets of any of the primate family you will note that they all eat a high carbohydrate, low fat, low protein diet.

Also fats are simply not available in season year round in abundant quantities for regular consumption (Nuts, seeds, avocados, coconuts). So why would it make sense that we were meant to thrive on a high fat, unnatural diet?

Perhaps they are omitting the works of numerous natural hygienists such as Dr. Shelton, Albert Mosseri and Dr. Graham, not to mention many other people following natural hygiene around the world.

Eating as much as you want as long as it’s raw is a healthy way to transition.

Everyone coming to the raw food diet has a different issue with food in general, whether it’s selecting the wrong foods to eat most of the time or eating too much of what they crave.  So giving that kind of advice to someone who probably already has issues with food and making poor choices is just not serving their purpose for achieving better health.

You need to be aware of how food effects you and get informed on carbohydrates, protein and fat and calories.  If you do not know the difference between false hunger and true hunger you’re not going to get anywhere by eating anything as long as it’s raw.

You want to get healthy and probably sooner than later. I’ve found too many times people are stretching out their “transition” periods because they like binge eating whether it’s on cooked food or raw treats.

Eating enough fruit calories is going to give you sufficient hydration, vitamins and fibre to help you feel full and curb your cravings for any other unhealthy foods.

Fermentation occurs when digested fruit (glucose) turns into carbon dioxide. C02 is irritating to the body when not eliminated properly. Frequent consumption of massive quantities of fruit leads to fermentation and a highly acidic condition in the body from excessive C02 levels.

Claiming that the sugar in fruit is turned into carbon dioxide is a very deep misunderstanding on how the body works. Fermentation occurs when yeast metabolizes sugar to produce carbon dioxide and alcohol. This is commonly done in the production of wine, beer and other spirits.

However, the human digestive track is not an alcohol producing machine. The food we eat doesn’t just sit there and ferment. It passes through a complex set of chemical processes to be quickly assimilated and eliminated. In fact, fruit sugar starts being assimilated as soon as we put fruit in the mouth. The only way for fruit sugar to ferment would be to eat large quantities of it and miscombine it with other foods, such as is commonly done by most raw-foodists.

Food combinations to avoid are:

–    Sweet fruit combined with nuts, seeds or avocados (such as any type of raw bar)
–    Sweet fruits like dates, combined with watery fruits like watermelon

ARGUMENT: Eating fruit by itself is dangerous to the body like taking a shot of hard liquor.

Sure. We see it all the time: alcoholics everywhere are getting their fix by eating apples and bananas! Fruit eaters are walking around in a drunken state. Next thing you know, we will all gather at “Fruit Eaters Anonymous”, or maybe anyone who eats fruit should sit in a session of “Alcoholic Anonymous”.

I’m quite disturbed that this level of low-quality, misleading information is still circulating on the Internet in raw circles.

Fat is a more stable form of energy because it converts slowly.

It’s a frequent misconception to think that fruit should be combined with fat, or fat should be eaten because it “digests more slowly”.

Most fruits are not very high on the glycemic index, and the fact that they are assimilated quickly is a good thing, rather than something to fear.

When we exercise and go through our day, our blood sugar reserves go down. As blood sugar is low, we get hungry and eat to naturally raise our blood sugar to healthy levels. When a person constantly experiences low-levels of blood sugar, we call it “hypoglycemia”, and it’s not a good thing to have.

Furthermore, to experience health we do not want our blood sugars to be high all the time. We want the natural sugars in food to be assimilated quickly and utilized by the cells. We don’t want that sugar to accumulate in the bloodstream.

Eating fat, on the other hand, encourages high blood sugar levels. First of all, high levels of fat in the blood streams lowers what we call “insulin sensitivity — which is the ability for insulin to quickly carry sugar to the cells.

A low fat diet improves insulin sensitivity.  Therefore, it’s a mistake to want to add fats to fruit to “slow down digestion”. All you’re doing is contributing to the problem, rather than solving it.

ARGUMENT: You should eat a small amount of fat with each meal to slow the sugar absorption.

All foods contain carbohydrates, protein and fats in the PERFECT ratio, even lettuce contains some fat.  So why on Earth for proper digestion and sugar absorption should you need to add MORE FAT to your meal?

Especially at each meal that is just going to zap more energy from you to digest food and not going to make you feel more healthy or well balanced.

Eliminating nuts and overt fats in the diet is unhealthy and leads to a fasting like state with increased detoxification of the body.

I do not understand why so many raw-foodists are afraid of detox. It must be because their diet is so unhealthy, that as soon as they start to eat well, they can feel the “detox” more than anybody else.

In my opinion, this idea of “detox” has been greatly exaggerated. It doesn’t take more than a few weeks for the body to adapt to a low-fat, raw food diet. Eating nuts and fats in quantity is absolutely not necessary to keep the “detox” at bay. In fact, even when one eliminates all fats from the diet, there is no resemblance of a “fasting state” as long as one eats enough calories.

It is healthier to overeat on fat than fruit.

This is a rather dangerous and disturbing argument in itself.  It is actually quite hard to overeat on fruit (based on appetite) as removing processed and cooked foods from your diet will make your body more receptive to true hunger and feeling full after an adequate amount of food is eaten.

Fruit has a high water content and is full of fibre and will make you feel full faster than the same amount of calories in pure fat.

It is much easier to overeat on fat and in fact quite detrimental to your health.  It slows down digestion, thickens the blood stream, impedes healing of the body as oxygen is not able to reach cells as quickly and can cause numerous problems with candida and fungal overgrowth.

It is unnatural to eat a high fat diet as it flies in the face of any natural vegetarian mammal diet.  Humans are meant to be active and not require massive amounts of recovery time after each meal.

Eat a whole meal of fruit and you will see that the down time needed to digest your food is minimal if non existent. In no way, can I see it ever being healthier to overeat on fat, than on fruit.

Long term raw foodists and fruitarians experience dental decay because their bodies are acidic and leaches calcium from their bones.

There is only one thing that causes dental decay, and it’s bacteria on your teeth feeding on sugar. This sugar can come from different sources. Usually, the biggest culprits are dried foods like nuts and seeds (and raisins), because they tend to stick to the teeth.

Fruits are actually alkaline foods. According to the Acid Renal Load Chart, all fruits are alkaline forming (so are vegetables). On the other hand, many nuts are acid-forming. And all oils are neutral (they don’t alkalize your body like fruit do).

My advice for fruit eaters when it comes to dental decay has to do with dental hygiene more than anything. I personally experienced the most dental decay when I was eating a high-fat raw diet. Now that I eat a high-fruit diet and with a strict dental hygiene routine, I have perfect checkups.

Consuming greens does not fix the problem of an acidic body when maintaining a high fruit diet.

Again, fruits AND greens are alkaline forming. There is absolutely no evidence to prove that fruits are acid-forming.

The best diet is one that balances all of the raw food groups.

This is another very vague statement as it can be interpreted in many ways depending on what you consider a healthy raw food.

For some people anything that is not heated above 118 degrees is raw, for some it is fruits, vegetables, and nuts, and for some maybe even grains and superfoods.  This is actually where the majority of raw foodists’s diets lie. Somewhere in the middle of confusion, trying to get their greens, trying to get good fats, trying to get all their vitamins and minerals.

Yet the majority of people eating this way have varied health from one person to the next and often nagging issues with candida, excess body weight, low energy, poor skin clarity, bad digestion etc.

As we’ve seen with the Standard American Diet, trying to have a balance of food groups really doesn’t work as people tend to eat what is marketed the most to them as healthy and they don’t listen to their bodies.

If you try to eat an equal quantity of fruits, vegetables and nuts and oils you’re going to have a lot of issues.  Almost no creature eats a well rounded balanced diet of many food groups.  That is strictly something that the human psyche has been programmed to accept.

For long term success don’t have a large amount of fat in your daily diet but be careful to not increase the amount of fruit you are eating once you reduce your fat intake.

Now they acknowledge that a high fat diet is not ideal, but to say “be careful about increasing your fruit intake” isn’t giving you a lot of options of what you can eat.

There are only two sources of sufficient calories in a raw vegan diet, carbohydrates from fruit or fat from nuts and oils.

If you follow their advice you are either going to be trying to eat as many vegetables and greens as you can (which won’t be sufficient for caloric needs) or try to resist the urge to eat more fat or fruit and live on a low calorie diet by will power alone.

Either way this is not only unsustainable it is also quite ridiculous when you think about it logically.  If you are a long term raw foodist you will have a better sense of appetite and should be able to trust your hunger when it comes to fruit and vegetable consumption.

Fats are always slower to register with your hunger receptors so it is still advisable to be aware of how much fat you are consuming because it adds up quickly.

When you are 100% raw you will eventually evolve to require less food over the years.

I don’t like this word evolve as it makes it sound like right now you are subhuman and will eventually become something different the longer you eat raw foods.

While it is true as you age your energy levels decrease and thus you will require less calories to sustain your level of activity, this is grossly misrepresented.  You will probably have the same level of energy when you’re 20 as you’re 25, 30 as when you’re 35.

So unless you still have a lot of weight to lose years after being successful at a raw food diet, I don’t suggest believing you’ll magically require less food to function optimally.  Your body will be less tolerant to large quantities of fats, salts and spices yes, but that is because it’s cleaner than before.

You’re not going to “evolve” to require less fuel from fruits if you’re maintaining the same exercise levels.  No athlete in the world runs a calorie deficit on purpose because they believe their muscles can run more efficiently as they get older.

Perhaps the only type of person this would be true for is if they immediately stopped expending so much energy while being on a raw food diet and spent most of their time idle and not exercising at all.  This of course I don’t recommend to anyone who wants to live a long and healthy life.

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33 Responses to “Arguments Against the Fruit Diet”

  1. Cathy Davids says:

    Help! Have tried several times to eat fruit and I feel terrible. I am hypoglycemic and the sugar in fruit really messes me up. Eating just an apple makes me feel very tired and sluggish.

  2. Nirm says:

    Hello,

    Im not a raw foodist by any means although I aspire to be one and am actively taking steps to consume more and more raw food. I too used to believe that eating a diet high in fruit was likely to lead to spikes in blood sugar levels which would then lead to increased hunger pangs with all the associated problems. However, my experience has not been the case.

    I used to have a fruit smoothie for breakfast, one apple, one banana, one pear topped off with milk. And this combination would make me INCREDIBLY hungry after a couple of hours – I mean ravenously hungry.

    I couldn’t figure out what the problem was. So decided to cut the milk, replace it with water and add in some celery and spinach. Wow what a difference. I have this in the morning on an empty stomach and it keeps me going until lunch and moreover my hunger rises gradually so I end up actually eating less.

    I have now decided to up my green smoothie intake in the morning, lunch and dinner. By the way I do not juice, I liquidise and consume the pulp as well which could be helping my blood sugar to rise gradually.

  3. Nancy Zare, WellnessWiz says:

    While I appreciated your arguments, it might have been more informative had you given the source of the various “myths” that you refuted. Instead it seemed like you pulled these ideas from thin air. I am still amused and amazed at how much controversy exists over something as simple as eating living foods! It appears to take one or more advanced degrees .in the biological sciences to figure it out.

  4. Hi Fred,

    Enjoyed reading your article above. I’ve been following the low fat raw vegan diet for around 9 months now…but have allowed myself to consume cooked foods in the evening to quell my cravings. I relate to what you say above. My self observations of the tendancy to be stimulated by cooked (i.e. artificial carbs…e.g. cooked potatoes, hot soups, low/no sodium corn chips with salsa, occasional grains such as rice etc.) to want eat more and more of them has become more acute as I notice that I feel very satisfied (almost unaware of a need or desire for food) after eating a fruit based breakfast and lunch etc. (but I digress).

    There is so much misinformation out there but as I’ve been practicing the low fat raw diet, “positive experience” reinforces the truth in what you’re saying above. Keep up the good work.

    Thanks,
    Charles

  5. After watching you try to open that coconut, I now know how you stay so thin. If you can’t get to the food, you can’t eat it… 🙂

    What a great selection of fruit! I need to work on a way to take advantage of your Costa Rica offer some time in the future.

    And yes, I’ve heard all kinds of weird arguments against a low fat raw diet, too, and I only stayed raw for 5 months. One co-worker accused me of having an eating disorder! But after returning to cooked and not liking the results one bit, I’m working on returning to raw again. Thanks for your great posts and encouragement.

    Best regards,
    Tom

  6. Leigh says:

    Hi Fred,

    So, why is one diet suitable for everyone? I must say that the vegetarians, vegans and raw food folk that I know have as many health issues as other people eating other diets……I don’t know that because a way of eating suits one or two people (you and the friend you mention, and we have to take your word on it, because I don’t see people here in NYC subsisting solely on fruit) means that everyone can live happily eating like that.

    I also tried eating raw a few years ago, and encountered many health issues. I looked terrible. I felt awful. For more than a few weeks. Nobody in the raw food community could advise me, and I found it difficult to eat at work, socialize and just eat well, while trying to be raw. It was stressful! That in itself made it less appealing.

    I’m also concerned that eating raw really doesn’t seem to take the seasons into account…….isn’t there a reason that nature
    provides us with certain foods at certain times of the year because they are supportive of our bodies in that season? Also,
    didn’t the primates you mention live in primarily warm climates?

    Finally, humans may have evolved from primates, but we do not live like primates. I don’t mean to be funny in saying that,
    but it’s a serious point! We need places to prepare food, most of us live lives that are complicated and involve relying on others for housing, transportation, clothing, income, etc…….

    While I find the ideas behind being raw very attractive, the reality is that it is very, very difficult. It would be great if people who eat raw, are regular folk (not super-wealthy CEOs or fashionistas employing chefs to make their fabulous meals for them) were really out there……but I don’t know any. All the people I know eating raw are yogis, and very young.

    Finally, how does someone with health issues eat a raw food diet? Is it safe to eat mostly fruits if you’re hypoglycemic or pre-diabetic, as many many people are these days?

    Respectfully, and gratefully,
    Leigh

  7. Julie says:

    Hi Fred, I wish you had addressed what I consider to be THE most important argument against fruit: that it feeds cancer cells, viruses, fungus, harmful bacteria and other indesirables. This is what the Hippocrates Institute says. And they have been researching this stuff for 50 years! What scientific data do you have to refute this? Julie

    ANSWER: I’ve already addressed this before many times. What the research says is that it’s not sugar that contributes to those diseases, but its high blood sugar sustained over long periods of times. And guess what is one of the most important contributors to high-blood sugar? A high-fat diet.

  8. Swayze says:

    I love your last point about “evolving” to need less food. I’m so sick of these gurus bragging about how little food they eat! The argument is that eating ages you and so the less you eat, the longer you will live.

    Any beginner raw foodist attempting to follow such advice will inevitably find it next to impossible to achieve, especially if they are also trying to live an active lifestyle. This can certainly lead to feelings of inadequacy and failure and eventually, like we see all the time in this movement, out of control binge eating.

    And I so need to join Fruit Eaters Anonymous. I have a horrible addiction to Ataulfo mangoes that just won’t quit! 😉

  9. Alex says:

    This is in response to Leigh’s observation that “regular folk” aren’t eating the raw food diet. I live in Washington, DC (not in a tropical paradise like Fred) and I am not a CEO or fashionista. I work for a small law firm, and I eat a high-fruit, low-fat raw diet on a budget. I have a friend here in DC who works in sales who has eaten this way for years, and several other friends who are working on “going raw.” None of them have private chefs. My meals are simple, usually one type of fruit at a time, some salad or a blended salad in the evening, and a green smoothie here and there (rarely more than two indgredients). No chef is necessary because nature does the work! When I first started eating this way, friends looked at me funny when we went to restaurants, but they’re over it (and so am I).

    I also stuggled with going raw for about four years, trying the eat anything raw, and the high-nuts and seeds versions of the raw diet. I alwasy looked and felt terrible and gave up. But high fruit low fat seems to work for me, and it works for the aforemenioned friend as well. I was hypo glycemic before being raw, but my blood sugar problems have been resolved.

    I think a big problem with raw food movement is that there aren’t a lot of well designed scientific studies (actually none that I’m aware of) that have examined the impact of transitioning from SAD to high fat versus low fat raw, long term success and health of low fat versus high fat versus SAD diets, etc. (Nor is there likely to be, since the meat, dairy, and supplement industries have nothing to gain from such studies).

    Nevertheless, my suspicion is that there are more people out there eating this way than we realize, and they’re just doing it and living their lives. They don’t have web sites, they’re not celebrities; it’s just how they eat.

  10. Alicia says:

    Love your video’s, great information! I also got your raw secrets book and it was wonderful. Costa Rica looks wonderful (from the other video) especially this time of year. Thanks for all you do!

  11. Donna Armstrong says:

    I neither agree or disagree with these arguments about fruit vs other dominant food diets – One will naturally gravitate towards what one likes and enjoys and for some it is unfortunately that which is not always healthy but I applaud him for emphasizing eating more raw fruits and veges – Even the government tells us that! Below are the basic facts that have helped my perspective on food –

    One – HUNGER IS REAL AND YOU WILL EAT WHAT IS THERE – i.e. When you are hungry you will eat what is available, even if it is not perfect, so make sure you have something that is FOOD available in your fridge, on your shelf and on the road. Something from the plant or animal kingdom, grown or husbanded properly raw or properly heated, cultured, fermented or dehydrated. “Properly” can take a bit of study, but generally, home-made from scratch is best. That way you can pick the moldy seed out of the batch. We are not in a wild jungle where fruit grows on trees, we have to BUY and be consumers in a very artificial world. I would love to go to Costa Rica but might not want to come back and this would create great frustration, so why go? TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT YOU HAVE AND DON’T FOCUS ON WHAT YOU DON’T HAVE.

    Two is ADAPTABILITY OF HUMANS –
    The other is that people survive and adjust to many different diets and they can be at peace with many sorts of bodies and personalities provided they are not too stressed and get enough sleep and some sunlight, fresh air and a little exercise. Meditation helps too – I have seen people with teeth and without teeth and skinny, fat, wrinkled and unwrinkled who are “healthy” as defined by being comfortable in their bodies and functional and at peace with themselves. Food is important but many different eating styles can provide nutrients and be digested PROVIDED the other factors I mentioned are in place. Organic fruits and veges are also expensive if you eat a lot, but if you do pig out it is certainly safer to do so on fruit or vegetable rather than any other food; however occasional binges on other foods when you run out of fruits and veges will hold you till your next trip to the market. ADAPTABILITY NOT RIGIDITY. Just don’t pig out on a candy bar! FOR BEING HIGH ON LIFE’S ENERGY IN THE YOGIC SENSE A HIGH FRUIT DIET HELPS FOR THERE IS LESS MUCUS IN THE SINUSES! THIS IS BEYOND SURVIVAL IT IS FINE TUNING THE INSTRUMENT.

    Third is to AVOID NONFOOD – It takes some study to learn what to avoid but it is basically any heated fats or oils, dairy, flesh foods, moldy nuts and seeds, dairy products especially pasteurized cow, flour products, refined sugars and almost any processed supermarket type food.

    Personally I love fruits and veges eaten raw or simply frying pan “steamed”. I also like Scottish oatmeal and tabouli made with nongluten grains. I have had a lot of dental problems but they stem from childhood and believe it or not the dental work that was done to “fix” the problem! When I don’t eat fruits and veges I miss their vibrational energy – Yes we were meant to eat lots and to grow them too. Sad commentary on how humans spend their time, especially in “developed” nations.

    Four – PRIMATES ARE NOT VEGETARIAN!
    My last comment is that although gorillas don’t eat much meat (except in the form of termites, insects, grubs and worms), chimpanzees are frequent hunters (a few times a month) of other monkey species like baboons, and even small animals and bush bucks (like deer) as PROVEN by Jane Goodall. I guess you have not read her books!

    Hope this comment gives people a broad perspective on the issue.

  12. monique says:

    Merci beaucoup cher Frederic !!! Je connais enfin la cause de mes problèmes de flatulence: une combinaison de dattes trempées puis mises en purée, de graines de sésame moulues, avec poudre de caroube et une banane en purée ou une pomme sucrée, taillée en cubes. C’est un délicieux dîner que je dégustais régulièrement mais…
    Voulez-vous, s’il-vous-plait me dire comment manger mes graines de sésame d’une autre délicieuse façon? Je vous remercie infiniment pour votre merveilleux travail.Vous êtes si sage que je croyais que vous aviez au moins 50 ans alors que vous avez l’âge de notre 3ème enfant.Je vous adore!!!

  13. Chris says:

    Frederic as usual is correct as always. Personally, I consume mostly fruit and dark geens with some starchy vegetables and avocado and nuts or seeds once in a while but not every day. If you want to see what that looks like in a human body then go to my website http://thefirstsupper.com and see what a raw foodist looks like who only exercises an hour a week for the past ten years that he has been raw.

    Fruit is definitely the “champagne” of all foods. I especially enjoy persimmons, mangoes, pears and durians. Of course bananas are always available.

  14. Rich G says:

    Hi Fred
    Good luck in Costa Rica, I have always wanted to move there from Fl. Do u find the veggies and fruits there equivilent to organic and easy to get? I have looked at Hacienda Mantapalo in the rain forest area and it looks great!
    I started the raw food move in June 09 and have lost a much needed 40 lbs so far. Having followed your advice and others I consume green fruit smoothies in my Blendtec 20 amp blender for breakfast and lunch and eat mostly raw stews for dinner. I have MS and my fatigue is gone! I do believe people who start raw and do not do well on it make mistakes that lead to bad results. I have the time so i read everything from folks like you and it helps greatly. I hope to visit u there some time!

  15. mary kay says:

    You cannot argue with someone who does not want to eat animal products for moral reasons. However, if you are talking about a “natural” diet, this is what humans would naturally eat.

    You also speak of taking care of your teeth…I remember a vid a while back you made on how you carefully clean your teeth etc. What about Weston Price who while searching for the healthiest people on the planet and expecting them to be vegetarians, actually found they ate some amount of meat and raw milk etc? These people didn’t even brush their teeth. EVER. They had a black/green scum on their teeth, yet had no cavities.

    I’m 95% raw and eat a small amt of animal products—yes I do eat high fat according to you, and do want to say, there are merits to the things you write and I enjoy reading them, but I feel SOME may need more fat in their diet. I got pregnant ant 51, while on an avocado binge –I was eating one avocado a day, and absolutely feel a little more fat in my diet helps balance my hormones.

    Nevertheless, I do want to cut it down —especially the nuts. So thank you for the encouragement, even though I do believe your amt of fat is a bit too low for me.

    Mary Kay

  16. Carrol says:

    Genesis 1:29 is the creator’s original diet for humans. Why stray from this? Follow the creator’s plan. Healthy diet consists of these health producing foods.

  17. Don Bennett says:

    Excellent treatment of the issue, Fred. I would make two comments. A big reason for dental erosion is the use of toothpaste. Surprised? All toothpastes contain glycerin because it was assumed that glycerin would coat the teeth and help to prevent the acidic bacteria “poop” from damaging the enamel. As it turns out, all the glycerin does is prevent the body from re-enameling the teeth, yet it’s still in all toothpaste. Go figure. I advise using Peelu Dental Fibers (tooth powder) instead of toothpaste if you feel you must use something. And please use a “soft” brush, not medium or hard. And if your genetics have saddled you with “weak” enamel, simply rinse your mouth with diluted clove oil just before going to sleep. Yes, not a natural thing to do, but unless your parents, grandparents, and great grandparents etc., were living a natural lifestyle and eating the foods humans are designed to eat, you may benefit from that unnatural but brief nightly rinse.

    Also, as you live a healthier lifestyle and as your body gets healthier, technically you DO increase your fuel efficiency. It goes without saying that better diet = better, more efficient digestion, and this certainly conserves nervous system energy (nerve energy), but there is also an overall increase in fuel efficiency as your major consumers of fuel – muscles – become healthier. But this increase in efficiency is not a lot, and while you’ll need slightly less calories for the same amount of “work”, this increase in efficiency won’t translate into a lot less food needed; maybe 100 calories. So while technically true, it’s a non-issue. The increases in energy that people experience (and then assume they can now eat less food) is due to more available nerve energy, better/easier digestion, better functioning muscles and organs, and deeper sleep, and all this improves both your quality and quantity of life.

    Don Bennett
    Health101.org

  18. Silje says:

    HI

    I am new to all this and I started reading about the raw food diet little over a month ago, and I have been almost 100% raw for a month. I stick to low fat, much fruit and green (salad) smoothies.

    I had a detox period that came in two goes and lasted together about a week. Other then that I see a lot of improvements, hair, nails, skin (though detox made it worse for a while), clearer mind, stomach, asthma. I still have allergies, but I don’t know from what now, though it is milder then before.

    I made myself a deal: Try this out since from reading about it it makes a lot of sense or the most sense of any other healthy diet, but if it doesn¨t work and it makes me feel lousy then I go back to how it was. For now I don’t seem close to going back to my previous diet.

    I have only one problem: While waiting to eat before I feel true hunger I can’t for the life of me consume enough fruits to get enough calories. I can’t understand how I ever will be able to eat that much. I tried and just felt tired. I am very thin and have always been no matter the diet…so I might need less, but still I don’t understand how to get enough.

    If anyone has a solution or a point of view on how to get enough calories from fruit and still maintaing “eat only when truly hungry”. I now eat before I am truly hungry because I am afraid I won’t get enough nutrients.

    I am happy to finally have come across this eyeopener of a diet!

  19. Joanne says:

    ARGUMENT: Athletes can handle an increased fruit intake only because they are giving off more of the C02 (produced from fermentation) from their lungs.

    Patenaud: This is a completely ridiculous statement. The only reason athletes need more fruit is because they have higher needs for calories. CO2 is produced by the lungs from breathing, and has nothing to do with eating fruit!

    Wikipedia: Several studies have measured the intestinal absorption of fructose using hydrogen breath test. These studies indicate that fructose is not completely absorbed in the small intestine. When fructose is not absorbed in the small intestine, it is transported into the large intestine, where it is fermented by the colonic flora. Hydrogen is produced during the fermentation process and dissolves into the blood of the portal vein. This hydrogen is transported to the lungs, where it is exchanged across the lungs and is measurable by the hydrogen breath test. The colonic flora also produces carbon dioxide, short chain fatty acids, organic acids, and trace gases in the presence of unabsorbed fructose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose

  20. Joanne says:

    Patenaud: If you look at the diets of any of the primate family you will note that they all eat a high carbohydrate, low fat, low protein diet.

    Joanne: But we don’t have the digestive apparatus of primates. They are hind gut fermenters, meaning they have bacteria that converts their dietary cellulose into fatty acids. Their stomachs and colons are more than twice as long as ours where our small intestine is much longer than theirs.

    Patenaud: Also fats are simply not available in season year round in abundant quantities for regular consumption.

    Fats and protein are the only things available year round, and they are found in animals. Fruits are seasonal in most areas humans (and their ancestors) have inhabited for the past several million years.

    http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/should-all-animals-eat-a-high-fat-low-carb-diet-2.html

  21. Maria Iaboni says:

    I’m so glad to read your write-up and clearing some confusion about FATS and Fruits.

    I would like to ask you, I love fruit always have since I was a child, and I love my greens and other vegies, but I’m still not clear on how much fat is suffient for the brain to function and the skin to glow and also for elmination. Is 1/2 of avocado okay every day??? How much coconut juice is safe to have?? And is the meat from the coconut okay to eat without being concerned with too high or not enough fats???

    Thank you for a response,
    This still is not clear to me.
    Maria I.

  22. Frederic says:

    Thanks Joanne for pointing out your research. I would dare to say that eating whole fruits would be different than eating concentrated fructose.

    As for the diet of primates, I agree that we are not like apes. We couldn’t survive on their diet because their fruit is much too fibrous and hard to digest. However, not all monkeys are gut fermenters. Check out this article: http://iheartfruit.com/index.php?topic=128.0;wap2

    To Maria: I know some people who have not consumed any overt fats in over a year and their skin is doing great. Brain function is more dependent on carbohydrate supply. I recommend a low fat diet. Some people have best results keep fat below 10%. Some people prefer up to 15 or 20%. Somewhere in that range. 1/2 avocado every day would be fine for most people, but nuts and seeds also provide valuable nutrients. I personally drink the juice of about 3-4 coconuts per day when I’m in the tropics. I sometimes eat the meat, which is high in saturated fat (less if it is young). The coconut meat can be part of your fats for the day.

  23. Sarah says:

    Hi Silje,

    I can relate – I am also very thin and have discovered that I need at least 2000
    calories a day to feel satisfied. This diet has started to work for me since I
    began making banana smoothies for lunch. I put into the blender: 10 bananas, 2 Tblsp. water, a handful of baby greens or 2 celery, and either fresh parsley or
    mint. It’s then poured into a bowl with 2 sliced bananas added, and eaten like
    a pudding. This provides about 1000 calories and I find it delicious and filling.
    If I’m still hungry, I then eat 5 dates. This way, breakfast and dinner just have
    to be about 500 calories each. Make sure the bananas are speckled and fully ripe!

  24. Gregory says:

    I hope you can address the issue of the argument that whether it is cane sugar or fruit sugar it is all that same. Plus I have a question if you can answer it. Is there studies done on pregnant women and a high fruit diet in the last few months on pregnancy causing an extraordinarily big baby because of the supposed sugars in the fruits?

    By the way, I am working myself towards being 100% proper raw and am totally for 100% raw, but would like to know your thoughts on this.

    Thank you

    Morde

  25. Linda says:

    Thanks, Fred, for writing on this topic and inviting comments. There’s lots to think about here, and many interresting reactions. I’m not young, wealthy, and don’t need a chef to eat raw. I appreciate your recomendations on preparing simple meals with few ingredients, and on mono eating, during our recent group detox.

    How liberating to make a meal of just one fruit. When I’m busy or tired, I used to reach for easy, processed “foods”. Now I just reach for a few apples or a bananna. Nature gives them to us in a perfect package.

  26. Jan says:

    Frederic – thank you for this forum, and for being accessable to us. I’m relatively new to raw foods (became vegan first)and find the HUGE amount of conflicting “evidence” out there to be extremely overwhelming. It almost caused me to give up. I’m a voracious reader and searcher of information. I realize that each of our bodies will be somewhat different, and that we have to find what works for us. Even so, sorting through all of the information…ugh! I’ll become convinced that one thing is “right”, only to read the next expert say it’s the worst. Listening to my body has been somewhat confusing also……I’M HUNGRY!! Stomach growling = hungry to me. I haven’t seemed to resonate with how you say to recognize hunger. Anyway, my main concern AT THE PRESENT is getting enough calories! I’m 5’9″ and have shed excess weight, which is wonderful, but I’m down to 135 pounds, and would like to assure that I maintain a healthy level of weight for long term health’s sake and also refrain from looking gaunt or emaciated. Many raw food proponents on videos out there don’t LOOK all that healthy to me. How can I be assured of getting my 2000 calories per day without over consumption of fruits (if nuts are frowned upon)? I’ve been reading Gabriel Cousens’ books about mycotoxins, etc. Sigh….now many fruits are not even good?. HELP! It’s important to find peace, or none of this is TRULY helpful. I appreciate everyone’s comments.

  27. mary kay says:

    Don Bennet,

    When you say to rinse your mouth with clove oil mixed with a little water before going to bed, do you mean an essential oil? Like Young Living?

    Thanks,

    Mary Kay

  28. Don Bennett says:

    Jan,

    I’ve been researching and teaching how to create health and avoid disease for a very long time, and if there’s one thing I’ve discovered it’s this: we are all more the same than different. We all have livers, we all have pancreases, and if you look up the definition of these organs in a medical dictionary you won’t see millions of different definitions; all our organs work the same way, what differs from person to person is the relative degree of functionality, not HOW it works. So een though there are many experts who state categorically that there are different diets for different people, this is not so. All humans are designed to eat the same diet regardless of blood type, metabolism type (fast/slow) or hair color. The reason why differing dietary practices appear to work better for some people is because of where they are health-wise. Someone with a weakened pancreas (due to eating too much fat) that is labeled with Type 2 Diabetes may have to eat celery or lettuce with sweet fruit for a while because they need the additional fiber to aid in slowing down the sugar uptake, but once their blood sugar regulatory system is working properly again (and it is VERY possible to heal from Type 2 Diabetes) they will not need to eat a “special” way.

    And true hunger is in a lot of ways like thirst; you can’t hear when you’re thirsty, and no one else can put their hand on your throat and tell when you’re thirsty. The same is true for true hunger. It make no noise, and is felt in the same area that you feel thirst, but thirst has an “immediacy” to it, but hunger is a pleasant feeling. If you wait for true hunger and it doesn’t come quick enough for you, it may be due to one of three reasons: 1. You don’t recognize it because you were used to hunger being this big experience of growling and rumbling; true hunger is more subtle. 2. You’re not waiting long enough. The time between “breakfast” and “lunch” or between “lunch” and “dinner” may not be the period of time that your body desires, and this takes some getting used to, and trust. 3. Your body may be dealing with something semi-serious, and it would rather you skip a few meals (or even a few days of meals) so that it can have maximum nerve energy available for dealing with whatever it’s trying to deal with. Most people cannot know if their body wants them to fast because they are always eating ahead of true hunger and have been for decades.

    As far as weight goes, when I ate the worst diet you can imagine, eating billions of calories a day, I never weighted more than 137. After eating an all-raw fruit and green leafy diet (with a little nuts now and then) for 18 years I now weigh 125. Sure, for a while I wished I could weigh more, but that feeling was just in response to sociological conditioning, and it didn’t respect what my body wanted. So when you think about it, when I was eating an unhealthy diet, I was 12 pounds overweight even though many people thought I was underweight! Also, many people will dip down under their ideal set-weight for a while when transitioning from an unhealthy diet to a very healthy one. As long as you’re not under eating, and as long as you get sufficient physical activity (which has a lot to do with eating the proper amount of food for nutritional purposes), you will eventually come back up to your ideal weight. And as long as your energy level is fine during this temporary under-weight period, there is nothing to be concerned about. Also, many people were over fat to some degree AND under muscled to a great degree. So when they lose the over fat condition and then look in the mirror, they don’t think they look right, and they’re correct because they are under muscled; they just couldn’t tell they were under muscled because of the over fat condition. So instead of trying to “look good” by trying to control the amount of body fat on you, get your musculature up to where it should be and you will most likely find that you will be happy with the way you look (and people will stop commenting that you “look too thin” when you look fit and strong).

    And the main reasons, in my opinion, that some raw food health advocates advocate low/no fruit and high fat or complex (sometimes cooked) carbs is: 1. To garner more customers (sad but I know this to be true), 2. Because they feel that even if they tell people the truth about how, in the presence of too much fat, sugar will not be handled properly by your body and can cause problems, they feel people will still overeat on fat anyway, so the safe thing to do is to simply advise against fruit (the person’s body will simply convert fat to sugar as needed to feed the cells, and this circumvents the havoc that can be experienced when eating healthy amounts of sweet fruit in the presence of too much fat). They see it as the healthier of the two scenarios, even though it isn’t the healthiest way to eat. Plus they tell themselves it is still healthier than what the person used to eat. And it does result in short term improvements, but I’m interested in long term viability, and that’s why I tell the people who I counsel the truth about the human diet. If they don’t follow it, it’s not because I didn’t share the facts with them.

    I hope this helps.

    Don Bennett
    Health101.org

  29. Joanne says:

    And now for a different perspective.

    People don’t become diabetic from too much fat interfering with sugar metabolism but from too much sugar ingestion. Our species moved out of the tropics millions of years ago and has been subsisting on fat and protein all that time with minimal, seasonal fruits that were low in sugar and occasional nuts, seeds, leaves and roots. Neanderthals were carnivores, those that proceeded them added vegetation to their diet, and we eventually moved to agriculture.

    Sugar requires insulin to transport it into cells, and only when the body begins burning fat and producing glucagon do the cells open to dump their fat for burning. Keep consuming sugar and you constantly demand insulin. The cells eventually become resistant to it. If you don’t eat enough calories (get enough energy), you will burn fat and lose weight. And if you don’t get enough protein, you’ll burn muscle too, thus the gaunt vegan look and rampant B12 deficiency.

    It’s possible for many to subsist on fruit for a few years, and a few to subsist on fruit for many years, but you will find that you have to consume a great deal of food often. Quite a lot of people give up meatless diets after their health deteriorates.

    The best thing I did was ditch the vegan diet and begin eating meats. I’m quickly satisfied, only have to eat once or twice a day, and I avoid the ups and down of sugar metabolism and constant insulin demand. And eating pasture-raised meat is more environmentally friendly than agriculture.

    I suspect that a great many vegans, vegetarians, fruitarians have great initial health improvements because they’re eating whole foods, discarding fake food, and they’ve given up gluten, which is a major problem for many.

    Joanne
    http://www.openmindrequired.com

  30. Nicole Troclet says:

    Thank you Frederic for all this advice about fruit, it is very useful even if I am already convinced, it is reassuring to hear it put in other words with bits of additionnal info every time. I know people from all walks of life, from vegan to vegetarian to smoking meat eaters who suffer from all sorts of health problems but they are so stuck in their ways and brainwashed by what they call science backed by the media (mainly television, I think) , it is a struggle to try to convince them of anything. But I always take my fruits or salads with me when I go visiting and hope that the sight of this delicious foods will tempt them in the end.
    Nicole

  31. Donna Armstrong says:

    I was just thinking about this the other day – If you have excess fat on your body (I don’t, but would like to!) isn’t it easier to go without food and skip a few meals than a skinny person? Of course you don’t want the fat in your body to contain toxins from processed chemical containing foods, so that when you burn it it releases these, but let’s say you eat more calories from wholesome mostly raw foods, either sugar, fat or whatever – more calories than you need and don’t burn it off in exercise. If your body stores this as fat, would that be a bad thing necessarily? I do think many folks are too body conscious as regards weight.

    Anyway I enjoy these blogs because it is reassuring to know that people can be healthy eating simple sugars and getting away from grains and animal products. That is inspiring. I am only about halfway there – I may never be a total raw foodist but I enjoy my green smoothie and a few others. I use chia and pumpkin seeds, just a little in the smoothie, along with spirulina and bananas and papaya as a base. Sometimes I add maca or other superfoods and some spring greens. If it were not for the raw food movement I would have no idea a green smoothie exists!

  32. Jan says:

    Thank you, Don (and everyone else) for taking the time to respond. It is always interesting (as well as often frustrating) to hear differing and adamant perspectives. As always, we get to make our own choices. I believe that we must have the knowledge, then sort it out for ourselves, taking what resonates with us at that time and go with it. Be it “right” or “wrong”, we’re meant to go that way – at that time – for a reason. I agree that each person’s body reacts accordingly to the state it is in at the time. I suppose some of my frustration could be from a strong desire to do this “right”, especially from the standpoint of refraining from harming my body. I also bristle at what feels like such dogma in this arena – and such differing dogma there is!
    The issue of learning to determine hunger in the way you describe is still odd to me. Perhaps I *have* been simply stuffing food into my body at such regular intervals that I don’t know true hunger. I’d always thought that the growling of the stomach was what told us to eat. With the elimination of meat and sugars and grains, now eating predominantly raw, I seem not only not satisfied, but “hungry” too soon. I get irritable and sometimes shaky. Seems like a signal for food to me.
    Where did the whole concept of food combining come from anyway? Is it REALLY that important? I notice that many raw foodists have recipes that combine dates and nuts, say for a base of a dessert. Why is it that these folks are the ones that LOOK healthy? They have a ‘glow’, not just that they look to have a little meat on their bones. I like to see the long-termers that still look good. Perhaps they’ve been lucky to have gotten the combination just right for themselves.
    In light of the vast amount of unhealthy (junk) food out there, isn’t eating a predominantly plant based diet good enough, in and of itself? Or, are we withdrawing so much from ourselves that any little ‘mistake’ has more of an impact?
    Thanks again for the exchange of thoughts; much to ‘chew on’ here 🙂
    Don, I took a look at your website – interesting and informative. Thanks for what you are doing.
    Joanne, I looked at yours, too *)* I think I understand where you are coming from. I’m not ready to resume eating meat. I hope I’m not stubborn enough to refuse at my expense. But, on the other hand, at this point in my life, can’t imagine eating an animal’s flesh.
    Blessings to all,
    Jan

  33. vera says:

    Hydrogen is bound to what? oxygen? Carbon? It is always associated with another molecule.
    I do believe that the usual method that gasses produced in the colon are eliminated is by farting.

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