September 23

Another Free Chapter From Raw Food Controversies

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Below you’ll find an entire new chapter from my upcoming book The Raw Food Controversies. So far the title is sticking, although I haven’t seriously started looking for another one. Maybe the first idea is the best? I dropped the word “Exposed” from the title. UPDATE! RAW FOOD CONTROVERSIES IS NOW AVAILABLE HERE

What do you think? In this new chapter, I continue the story of how I got into the raw food diet in the first place. Future chapters will expose my story of decline in health when I followed the wrong kind of raw food diet, the raw food gurus I met and everything I read along the way.

If you can’t wait to get started now, I suggest the Raw Health Starter Kit as the best resource:

http://www.fredericpatenaude.com/starterkit.html

“Look Mommy, I Stopped Eating And I’m Still Alive”

The next book I picked up from the library was the giant tome on fasting by Shelton, which was translated into French as Le jeûne, meaning fasting, but the actual title in English was the longer The Science and Fine Art of Fasting.

It was a fascinating book on the history of fasting, its use in religion and in the animal kingdom, the physiological changes that occur when someone fasts, and how to use fasting to improve one’s health.

Shelton’s book made fasting actually sound cool and fun. Because he wanted to prove that fasting was safe, he went to great lengths giving examples of all these people that fasted for long periods of time and were able to keep their energy levels and even keep working.

Although the type of fast Shelton recommended involved absolute rest in bed, he also gave examples of people who fasted up to 40 days on water, and kept working during all that time.

After reading the book, I decided to give fasting a try and fasted for 3 1/2 days on my own. I didn’t rest in bed, but instead stayed active and continued my life as normal.

I found that fasting was a lot easier than I thought. The first day was really easy and I actually had a great amount of energy.

I was biking everywhere, and on the second day of my fast I met my highschool friend Hugo Cromer and told him I hadn’t eating anything for two days and I felt amazing.

He said: “Man, you’re crazy!”

Things got more difficult by the morning of the third day. On the second day, I was very hungry, but energetic. The thought of eating an apple made my mouth salivate.

On the morning of the third day, I felt less hungry and less energetic. I had discovered that my body was adjusting to the physiological effects of fasting and quickly moving in the ketonic state, where it was starting to feed of its own fat reserves.

During that stage, hunger disappears, along with energy. I’ve noticed over the years that the only people who feel amazing and energetic throughout a fast are overweight people. Skinny or thin people feel lethargic as soon as they hit day three. So on the third day, the fast didn’t feel that great.

But I stuck with it, and ate a fruit meal on the morning of the fourth day, which didn’t taste as amazing as I expected. I wasn’t crazily hungry like I was on the morning of the second day, but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

What this fasting experience proved to me was that it was definitely possible to live for a while without food, without harming the body.

In my high school biology class, I had learned that the human body would die after 3-4 days without water, and only 7-8 days without food.

I don’t know where my teacher had gotten that information, but when I fasted for 23 days on water in 2005, I certainly disproved her assumption!

How An Old Frenchman Would Transform My Assumptions About Diet and Health

For the rest of the summer of 1996, I continued experimenting a little bit with Shelton’s diet, but without taking the plunge.

Towards the end of the summer, I went back to the library to look for some new books to read on diet and health. Among the various titles, from Fit For Life to more of Shelton’s books, I found a few curious-looking book by a Frenchman named Albert Mosséri.

Without really thinking about it, I picked up a few to add to my collection.

When I opened and started reading the first book, La Santé Par la Nourriture (Health Through Diet), I was blown away. After a few chapters, Mosséri had already introduced the concept of eating 100% raw by translating parts of a book by an Iranian author called Hovanessian.

Even though Shelton had kind of mentioned that man’s natural foods should be raw fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds, he didn’t insist on that point. But the quotes by Hovanessian were so passionate in advocating a 100% raw diet that somehow I started to share that enthusiasm and felt this was probably the way to go.

The translation of Hovanessian’s book, Raw Eating, was only part of Mosséri’s work. When I started reading Mosséri’s books, time would stop. Without realizing it, I would have spent four or five hours reading.

Mosséri was a student of Shelton, whom he considered his biggest mentor. But Mosséri took a very different standpoint on many crucial aspects of the Natural Hygiene diet where he disagreed with Shelton.

Shelton’s books were written in a very old, ancient style and sounded very formal and severe, like having an old, cranky, puritan grandfather lecture you on morality for hours.

On the other hand, Mosséri was from a different generation (born in 1925, Shelton was born in 1895), and still alive (Shelton died in 1985).

Mosséri’s books were much easier to read, and in them he mixed stories, interesting quotes, personal experience and a kind of dry humor only a native French speaker could appreciate.

When I read Shelton’s books, it felt like I was presented with concepts that were ideological, but impossible to follow. Reading Shelton made you feel he was some kind of super-human, impervious to the influences of modern society, and you were a low-class, corrupted moron for not being 100% pure and natural like he said everyone should be.

I only met Mosséri (now 85) once, August 2010

Mosséri had a more down-to-earth approach that made you feel like you were normal for struggling in a society that did not promote health, and he also described his personal experience and struggles with interesting stories, which made you feel connected to him, without having met him in person.

The more I read Mosséri, the more I started to understand what was this concept of Natural Hygiene that I had discovered in other books, but never quite understood.

Mosséri was really passionate about Natural Hygiene and really bitter about modern medicine. He also had a lot of experience with his fasting center to back it up, working with some of the sickest people in the world, who came to him as a last resort.

But more importantly, Mosséri was also anti-naturopathic medicines, and spent a lot of pages to disprove everything from homeopathy to herbal medicine.

His main concept, which he got from Shelton, was that healing is a biological process, only the body can undergo. No other outside influences, whether they be drugs or herbal remedies, can heal you. At the most, they will suppress your symptoms and not get at the root of the problem, which what he referred to as the cause.

One example he gave is that of a cold. We know that there are thousands of remedies to get rid of a cold. For example, some people take a drug. Others prefer herbal teas. Yet others go for a more brutal approach, such as drinking a shot of whisky. There are literally hundreds of folk remedies for getting rid of a cold.

Yet what do all of these remedies have in common? Everybody who takes them eventually gets better. But that’s not all… the person who does not take a remedy at all, and just stays in bed and fasts, also gets better, but much faster than everyone else, while addressing the real cause of the cold.

According to Natural Hygiene, and even modern medicine, there is no remedy for a common cold. What all of the remedies have in common is that they suppress the symptoms to some degree. But Natural Hygiene says that the symptoms should not be suppressed, because the dis-ease is an effort of the body to restore its homeostasis, or state of health, and should not be stopped in any way. Instead, we should provide the body with enough rest and other elements of healthful living, so that it can go through the disease naturally and heal itself, without any outside interferences.

The reason why Natural Hygienist use fasting is not because fasting itself cures anything, but because it allows the body to get enough rest (from digestion and physical activity), so that all its energies can be directed towards healing.

As I read Mosséri’s books, I became fascinated with this concept of Natural Hygiene. My mother was a nurse so I had had my exposure to modern medicine and knew it was not always the perfect savior we often believe it is. I now realized that even “natural” medicine were often just less dangerous ways to suppress the same symptoms that drugs try to suppress.

In terms of diet, Mosséri differed from Shelton in a few important areas. He believed strongly that Shelton was wrong in recommending a large amount of nuts and seeds in the diet. According to Mosséri’s experience over the years, the quantity of nuts recommended by Shelton on a daily basis led to some severe health problems (he even went as far as to say that he had know people who had died from those problems).

The problems he mentioned were: bad digestion and gas, constant  hunger caused by malnutrition, skin problems, lack of energy and even cancer.

However, he said that it was not necessary to eliminate all nuts from the diet, but we had to limit them to about five almonds a day! In his later books, he increased that amount to about once ounce.

Mosséri was also against grains like Shelton, but much more vocal about it. He claimed that bread and grains were not meant for human beings because we are not granivores like birds. Grains were acid-forming and were the primary cause of mucus in the body, therefore he said that if you stop consuming bread and grains you will never experience a cold in your life ever again!

He was also anti-meat (which goes without saying), and fish, so essentially all that was left were fruits and vegetables.

In his books, he quoted Hovanessian’s book on Raw Eating extensively, which claimed that a 100% raw food diet was the only way to achieve health. But after this long exposé against cooked food, he gave his own opinion about it, which was more moderate.

Mosséri first quoted some research about some tribes living in New Guinea that were living almost exclusively on cooked sweet potatoes. He said that if cooked foods were so bad, we wouldn’t find a tribe in perfect health living on a mostly cooked diet. However, he said that no tribe had ever been found — in perfect health — living on a diet of 90% bread or grains.

He also said that Hovanessian made these big salads by grating all of these strong vegetables together, like cabbage and onion, with milder vegetables, like carrots and lettuce, and then adding his own dressing of honey and oil.

Mosséri felt that if you couldn’t eat a vegetable raw (like raw cabbage), in large enough quantities, without mixing it in a big salad and camouflaging the strong flavor with questionable items like honey and oil, then you probably shouldn’t be eating that food raw in the first place.

Mosséri claimed to have a very sensitive palate, so he didn’t enjoy the vast majority of vegetables in their raw state. If he only ate the ones he enjoyed raw, then there wouldn’t be much left on the menu.

So as a compromise, he cooked some vegetables, just enough to make them more edible, and included those vegetables with his dinner meal.

Mosséri was also stressed the importance of eating when genuinely hungry. He said that most people do not wait for hunger to eat, but instead wake up in the morning, drink some coffee or other hot beverage that made their throat open unnaturally, and ate something without feeling true hunger. According to Mosséri, eating without hunger led to eat too much, and the wrong foods, which was the primary cause of disease in our society.

He described hunger as a pleasant feeling, not pain (which was a sign of false hunger), and generally for most people only occurred 4 or 5 hours after waking up, unless they were athletes — in which case they would probably wake up hungry.

He offered a basic menu plan, which were described as the Ideal Diet:

Morning: Don’t drink anything, don’t brush your teeth. Wait for true hunger.

When you feel true hunger, calm it with a few fruits. Repeat a few times during the day.

Evening Meal: Either have a big salad (with avocado and acceptable condiments), or cooked potatoes with lettuce, or steamed vegetables. Alternatively, you can have salad at around 4 or 5 p.m. and follow it an hour or two later with cooked vegetables (including potatoes).

I was really inspired by Mosséri’s writing and decided to give his diet a try. Fortunately for me, one of Mosséri’s favorite foods was potatoes. He was strongly against grains, but gave the green light to potatoes, which were a vegetable and naturally alkaline-forming.

When I experimented with Mosséri’s diet, I discovered that by waiting for true hunger, I would really appreciate the fruits I was eating, and thought it was the best meal on the planet. Many days, I would only start eating at around noon or 1 p.m.

In the evening, I would often make a massive salad, or eat a giant bowl of potatoes with some lettuce.

I found that I really enjoyed the taste of the foods I was eating (even without spices or salt), but I had trouble making the diet work.

Because I would wait for true hunger to eat during the day, and only eat a few fruits at a time, I would feel ravenous at night. I would then devour almost two pounds of cooked potatoes, and then feel tired afterwards.

Because the diet was difficult to maintain, I would often fall of the wagon and eat some junk food, and then pay for it the next day by feeling terrible, which led me to fast even longer, often all day, before I felt true hunger again.

It was my last year of music school (I had decided to finish my curriculum in three years instead of two), and my interest in classical guitar was waning. My true passion now was diet and nutrition, and natural hygiene.

The classical guitar field is extremely competitive and only a small percentage of the very best players eventually become performers. And even most of these performers still have to teach at a university to make a living, because there’s not a whole lot of interest in the world for classical guitar music.

But with health and nutrition, the possibilities were endless. I could see myself working in that field, perhaps even at Mosséri’s fasting retreat, and who knows what the future could hold for me.

So for that last year of music school, although I was determined to complete my studies with flying colors, I knew that I was not going to continue in university and have a future in classical guitar. I wanted to do something with health and nutrition.

For that school year, trying to follow Mosséri’s diet, I felt extremely isolated. I didn’t share my new beliefs with most of my friends because I knew they would think I was crazy (no one can live on fruit and potatoes!).

I spent a lot of time hunting for new fruits at different markets, and would buy exotic items such as papaya, whenever I could afford them.

I also started corresponding with Mosséri. I wrote him long letters, that I would mail to his address in France, and he would always reply back with laconic note that I would ponder for days.

When I told him that I felt so isolated with this new lifestyle in a long letter, he replied saying: “You have to break the isolation. Find other like-minded people you can share your thoughts with.”

Naturally, I wanted to go to France to see if I could land a job working at his fasting center. But when I asked him about that, he replied “I closed down the center so I can focus on writing my books.”

He recommended that I read all of his books and Shelton’s books several times, and also get a basic training in human physiology, which I did by reading more and more books, until I had essentially read everything he and Shelton had written that I could get my hands on.

Towards the end of my school year, around the spring of 1997, I felt my options were running out for what to do the following year. Mosséri had closed down his fasting center and was no longer accepting interns. I did not know any other similar fasting center in the world, and I seriously needed to meet some people in person who shared the same ideas and interests.

I truly felt I was alone in the world, trying to eat this way and learn about Natural Hygiene. I did at some point correspond with some people of my age that I found in the magazine published by the American Natural Hygiene Society, in the “Connections” section, but never met any of them in person.

However, right about that time when the spring flowers were in bloom, I went online for the first time and discovered a book that would give me the answer about what to do next.

—SIDEBAR–

The Main Causes of Disease

by Albert Mosséri

Nature Hygiene, such as explained in my books, is meant for people in developed countries and not to those in the third world, who suffer from problems that are totally different from ours. Hunger and hygiene are endemic phenomena in many of those countries, wheras in Western nations nobody really suffers from hunger and lack of hygiene.

The main causes of disease that affect us are those:

1)      Most people in civilized nations eat without being really hungry, and only because it’s mealtime. Children, who have purer instincts than ours, as well as animals, usually eat only when they are hungry.

2)      Most people eat foods that are not specific to the human race, that is foods that have not been meant for us by Nature. The specific foods for humans are fruits and vegetables.

3)      Modern humans also absorb a lot of poisons to stimulate themselves (coffee, tea, chocolate, refined sugar, alcohol, tobacco, chemicals in foods, etc.)

  1. Modern humans also take drugs, which are poisons. Very often, these drugs have no other purpose than to suppress the symptoms.

There are also many other causes of disease (to be reviewed later).

Don’t miss my next chapter! I will candidly talk about my first trip to California in 1998, when I met David Wolfe and the other raw-foodists of California, and how my health started to go downhill from following the wrong kind of raw food diet.

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20 Responses to “Another Free Chapter From Raw Food Controversies”

  1. Chris says:

    Well done Frederic. I’m interested in reading more.. I wanted to say.. ‘no…. don’t stop now!!! what happens next?’

    : )

  2. john boice says:

    Frederic. Excellent. My main success in my early years with fasting came as a result of Arnold Ehrets explanation of the elimination process where he said that the mills of mother nature grind slowly and that all a person has to do is understand and control the elimination process and know how to break a fast to make a fast beneficial. Evidently the body eliminates through the blood stream en route to the elimination “ducts” and if too much gets going or the elimination gets too “deep” it can be unbearable and so control and the proper breaking of the fast results in success. It’s based upon simplicity and nature which I know you’re a proponent of. Best, JB

  3. Wallace Gordon Dickson says:

    Frederic, I have observed animals fasting when not feeling well. My first pet animal, a dog I acquired when I was about 12 years old, used to lie around the lawn, refusing his usual dog food when offered but would eat a little green grass when he was feeling sick. A lot of animals exhibit this behavior. Later in my life, as a volunteer docent at the Washington National Zoo, I observed many of the animals in captivity fasting as a way of recovering from feelings of illness. So it has always been my observation that fasting is normal animal behavior, and that humans, being animals, should follow this behavior in their own lives without question. When I have the flu, for example, I just go to bed and fast for 4 or 5 days. No medicine, no shots, just fasting. So I believe in what you’re saying here in your new book! Fasting is natural and normal for all animals when sick.

  4. Tammy S says:

    Thank you Thank you Thank you
    This was just what I needed to read today!
    I look forward to the rest!

  5. Dave says:

    Good information, Frederic! Thanks for giving us a preview of what you’re working on. I have only fasted a few days at a time, and that was juice fasting, but fasting has been an important part of my health journey. It is very interesting that you talked about meeting David Wolfe and other Raw Food Gurus and then having a decline in health. It is interesting that Kevin Gianni recently talked about how he got into some health problems when he took Wolfe too seriously and overused (abused?) cacao. I think Wolfe is a bit of a speed bump in the progress in the raw vegan movement. He has some good points, but he goes way overboard and outsteps the limits of his own expertise, which is very very limited. His wild assertions are arguably in many cases motivated by greed. I recently read in a book by Walsh (Plant-based nutrition and health) that Wolfe had given at one time a list of good B12 sources. They were all essentially disproven in scientific studies. I learned something from Wolfe’s enthusiasm and commitment, but I think a lot of people have gone astray in this movement by being overly influenced by him. You could have a whole chapter about the guy!

  6. Guylaine says:

    I like to read your story on your debut how you got interested in natural health.
    I had similar experiences when I started to be interested in natural health some 35 years ago. At 20 years old I discovered Shelton’s book “Les combinaisons alimentaires” (Food Combining Made easy easy). I followed the principles of food combining religiously for one year. Then I read all Shelton’s book while at the same learning to read English. I fasted 27 days at the age of 22 years old. I discovered Mosseri’s book a couple of years after and followed his diet of fruit and potatoes. I liked it as I didn’t like too much eating only nuts for supper. I finally tried various diets thereafter, a high raw diet, a high fruit diet, a cooked and raw diet. That is when I meet Ron Weston, my mentor, from Toronto and was most surprised to find that he included sprouted grains and legumes to his raw diet. Since I’ve been following his diet and has the best result so far after 10 years on 95% raw diet.
    Thanks for sharing your story. I always enjoy reading your articles even if I don’t agree with all of what you say.

  7. Edith Tormey says:

    Frederic,
    The history of your journey to a healthy primarily raw food diet is most interesting. Your discipline in experiencing fasting and dietary changes and learning from them or using them as the impetus for seeking more answers, is astounding. I am always motivated to return to a healthier life style after reading your thoughts and experiences. For me, the difficulty in maintaining your way of eating is mostly a slow loss of motivation and a rationalizing as to why I want to follow my cravings. I probably need a colleague who wants to do this with me.
    thanks, Eydie Tormey

  8. Wow. People are so lucky that you are telling them this material. Former USA president Bill Clinton told about his choice to eat vegan, which is a good start for the masses, but what you, Frederic are teaching should become national policy immediately. I have met T Colin Campbell, and have read the books you speak of, as well as see many of the raw gurus in person. My wellness and fitness center has been at it’s second location for the past 21 years right next door to a medical center. But you would think that everyone there would call or be interested in how to achieve health and eliminate their suffering, yet they only clog up my parking lot in an attempt to get first in line for their flu shot next door. Many of them are in a frenzy to get drugs to stop their clogged or running noses, headaches, stomach aches (80% of all visits to the doctor), sore throats, etc. It saddens me to see the people I must deal with; the car mechanic, the bank teller, the supermarket cashier, etc. all getting fatter and/or sicker. Heck, even THE PRODUCE MANAGER admits to me that he only eats a few pieces of fruits a week. And the half dozen produce workers go across the street to Taco Bell for lunch. Or they shout for joy when the boss brings coffee and chinese food! I myself am in tears of bittersweet joy when I see Frederic write these words that can and save people every day. The question is, when will they do it and not just ponder it…

  9. Jenifer says:

    Thanks for sharing the great excerpt from your book. I loved watching your videos with Albert Mosseri as well.
    I currently need to read and study more as I am doing well with what I eat, I am just still hungry at the end of the day.
    Also, I like the title of your book thus far buy I would like to note that the word ‘controversy” may lend a negative connotation when I am sure your book is full of positive advice and clarifying information and study.
    I really enjoy your work, thank you.

  10. Sue says:

    Frederic,

    Your emails are so interesting and informative, and I have learned so much from them. You are really providing a wonderful service. My interest in health started with Arnold Ehret, and I read all his books in a matter of weeks. Since then I have read hundreds of books on health and have experimented with all kinds of diet, finally synthesizing my own diet into about 95% raw, and have been healthy, energetic and disease free (I have never been to a doctor) my whole life.

    Your writing is always fresh and easy to understand, and I appreciate your generosity in giving us an insight in your forthcoming book.

    Best wishes, SC

  11. Chris says:

    I hugely agree with Dave who calls David Wolfe “a bit of a speed bump in the progress in the raw vegan movement.” with his very few good points, but goes way overboard and outsteps the limits of his own expertise, which is very very limited. His wild assertions are arguably in many cases motivated by greed. Viktoras basically says the same thing. He’s doing this because it lines his pockets.

    Raw Vegan is an amazing lifestyle. . I love the idea of adding potatoes.. (love potatoes. . . and they smell so yummy.. but my hips and thighs grow exponentially so don’t think they’re good for me. {By the by, did he mean raw or cooked potatoes??? I used baked or roasted potatoes.. heavenly. . but thunder thighs started growing again.} Don’t ponder the visual on that.. its gross I know.
    : )

  12. angel says:

    Really enjoying these Frederic. I’m in the middle of Arnold Ehret’s book, “mucusless diet.” I guess I’ve been doing this healing diet thing the right way by not going all raw right away. It took some time to eliminate the meat, dairy, and processed foods, but now the cooked food I eat is steamed veggies and potatoes. Considering my diet for the last 34 years and the fact I used to smoke, I’m better off not detoxing too quick. I haven’t yet fasted but I may give it a try at some point when I feel ready. I’ve been eating a high raw diet for 5 years now and I can say I have not been sick in over a year and a half.

  13. Tiffany says:

    Frederic,

    I am really excited about this book. You keep my attention. What you have written so far is also the “breath of fresh wind in my sails” to keep me moving forward and constantly assessing what it is I am doing in my diet and in my general health practices – making sure that I am doing all that I need to do for optimal health and not trying to find reasons to cheat, make excuses or give up.

    Thank you for your down-to-earth and easy to understand approach to presenting your material.

    Regards!

    Tiffany W.

  14. Jackie says:

    Many thanks Frederic, I would like to know if there is any prospect of Albert Mosseri’s books being published in English please? Kind regards from Aotearoa, The Land of the Long White Cloud, New Zealand.

  15. Pamela says:

    I LOVE THIS! Here in Norway here is a growing interest in the Raw Food movement, but along with it is a growing market for “super foods” etc. so many people I know are buying green powders, raw chocolate, agave nectar, etc., etc.
    When people hear that I eat a mostly Raw Food diet they start joining in with what they’ve learned from people like Wolfe and Sandoval (who has been to Norway a few times and has a book translated into Norwegian). I mostly just smile and tell them that I don’t buy super foods. Some of them ask me why and so I tell them. Most of them don’t bother to ask because they’re on the “super foods-roll” and aren’t interested in hearing that their new discoveries might not be worth it.

  16. Joelle says:

    Thanks Frederick and don’t worry about giving more chapters away I will still buy the book. For all the comments about David Wolf…I disagree I just went and saw him for the first time, and I think he is sincere and wonderful and true to himself. He gave me much good advice that I didn’t know of. He his living a dream life that I’m sure some people are just jelouse of. I really like him his energy is uplifting and positive if only there were more people like him the world would be more positive.

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  18. Chris says:

    Grow up Joelle. No one is jealous of David Wolfe.. I’ve seen him too. . not in a favorable light at all.

  19. Dave says:

    I agree with Chris, Joelle. There is a big difference between i) liking someone and/or being jealous of them and ii) critically evaluating the information that they distribute, which is what we need to do in matters of health. I’m sure if I met Dave Wolfe I’d like several things about him, we’d have some interesting things to discuss and I could learn some things from him. However, critically evaluating the validity or integrity of information is very different. BTW, it’s something that Frederic espouses, which is why I like him. I’m not jealous of either of these guys. I would say Wolfe is dogmatic in many things he says. Incidentally, I was very discouraged when I ran into something while I was reading Wolfe’s book the ‘Sunfood Success Diet’. (or something like that..) There were a lot of good things in the book, but I was kind of shocked when he gave himself license to try to debunk (with no evidence forwarded) the theory of evolution. I don’t care whether you believe in evolution or you don’t, but if you’re going to step in the ring you better be armed with some valid information! Why put some unsubstantiated comment about a leading scientific theory into a book about diet? Save it for Sunday school! Does the guy think that because he is a mostly raw vegan (at least as advertised) he automatically has something meaningful to say about evolution? I just ate one of my own muffins that has sprouted grains and bits of dehydrated fruit in it. Am I now in a position to say something revolutionary about something, say the nature of gravitation?

  20. Chris says:

    Dave you are too funny. I love how you express yourself…quite beautifully, indeed.

    Hopefully living raw and vegan enables in us a consciousness and awareness that I never encountered while living the SAD lifestyle, and a desire to live a more congruent and meaningful lifestyle. We don’t have time for pettiness, silly annoyances, jealousies and such nonsence.

    I appreciate those such as Mr. Moseri and Viktoras Kulvinskas who offer the best information they know to truly help someone. They come from the heart and work to make a difference, despite opposition over the years. Their first motivation is not the profits they will garner. Its hugely different. Plus they’ve done this for MANY years.. this is not new for them. So they have knowledge backed by experience. . which translates to power.

    Thank you,

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